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Meade 20'' RCX and Max mount

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괴물 망원경인 

Meade 20'' RCX and Max mount

가 지금 아스트로 마트에 매물로 나왔습니다. 18,000$이지만 성능에 비해 비싸다고 할 수 없는 가격


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물론 저 망원경은 스타파티에 들고 다니는 것을 불가능하고 집에 영구 관측소를 만들어야 하는데


그래도 탐나는 물건입니다.


날씨 좋은 날 저런 물건으로 하늘만 보고 있어도 행복하지 아니할까. 


8인치 TMB APO도 탐은 났지만 그래도 쉽게 패스하였는데  위 물건은 문의 메일 보냈습니다.


워싱턴 집에 위 물건을 장치해 놓으면 명물이 될 것 같습니다.


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아래 스펙을 보니 포타블 삼각다리 무게만 81파운드(약 38kg)로


망원경 본체만 190파운드(약 90KG)


망원경 및 마운트 합친 전체 무게가 694 파운드(약 320Kg)입니다.


저것을 제대로 쓰자면 전욤 관측 시설이 있어야 할텐데.


일단 가져다 놓으면 마당 한쪽 구석에서 사용하여야 하겠지요.




만약 저 물건 미국 집에 장착하면 오실 수 있는 나다 분들 초대하겠습니다.


숙식 무료 제공 비행기 표만 사고 오십시오.


Total instrument capacity250 lbs.
Aperture20"
Optical designAdvanced Coma-Free
Optical coatingsUHTC
MountRobotic Equartorial
Gear pitch diameter13.625"
Periodic error5 arc sec.
Latitude0-90°
No. of drive gear teeth652 (RA & DEC)
MAX Mount™$29,999
MAX 20"$34,999
 
 

20" LX400-ACF™ on MAX Robotic
German Equatorial Mount with Pier
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MAXMount Only20" LX400-ACF
Optical Design Advanced Coma-Free
Clear Aperture 20"
UHTC™ Coatings Standard Ultra-High Transmission Coatings (UHTCT)
Resolving Power (Dawes Limit) .228 arc seconds
Focal Length, Focal Ratio 4064mm, f/8
Telescope Mounting MAX Robotic Equatorial Mount
Periodic Error Correction Both axes

Five (5) arc seconds

Control Panel2 multi-function, multi-port panels2 multi-function, multi-port panels
Focus 4-speed front focusing mechanism included
GPS, North sensors included16-channel GPS receiver16-channel GPS receiver (on Mount)
Pointing PrecisionHigh Precision Mode 1-arc min.High Precision Mode 1-arc min.
Autostar® II Hand Controllerincluded (147,541 object database)included (147,541 object database)
AlignmentEquatorialEquatorial
North electronic sensorsIncludedIncluded
Temperature Control Thermal stabilization fan
Power12VDC, 5amp power supply required12VDC, 5amp power supply required
Slew Speeds:

RA and Dec: 0.01x to1.0x sidereal, variable in0.01x increments; 2x, 8x, 16x, 64x, 128x sidereal; 1°/sec. to 2°/sec., variable in 0.1° increments All models

Tracking Rates

sidereal, lunar, or custom-selected from 2000 incremental rates All models

Primary, Secondary Mirrors Pyrex® glass, fine-annealed
Correcting Plate/Lens Borofloat
CounterweightsRequires 2 - 35lb. Counterweights (included)Requires 5 - 35lb. Counterweights (included)
Accessories  
Total Net Weight329 pounds (no counterweights)190 pounds (OTA only)

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Weights and DimensionsWeightsDimensions
RA Housing Assembly66 poundsL = 20.75"; W = 18.85"; H = 20.34".
Dec Housing Assembly75 poundsL = 18.25"; W = 15"; H = 20.45".
Counterweight Shaft Assembly32 pounds without counterweightsL = 38.1"; W = 1.25"
Individual Counterweight35 poundsL = 5.9"; W = 5.9"; H = 2.96".
Portable Tripod81 poundsHeight: 26.5 inches; Footprint radius: 30 inches
Permanent Pier39 poundsMinimum Height: 22"; Maximum Height: ?? Tube Diameter: 11.9"
 
Optical Tube Assembly (OTA) 
20” LX400-ACF OTA190 poundsL = 40"; W = 25.7"; H = 25.7".
 
20" OTA + MAX Mount™ + Counterweights694 poundsL = 40"; W = 25.7"; H = 99.67".
 
Optional Accessories 
20 pound Counterweight 
Dovetail Instrument mount assembly 

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P.S.


오늘 태양번개에서 여러 분들 만나 반갑습니다. 


김영렬 교수님, 이건호님, 임상균님, 김종호님 그리고 건물 제공하신 도영재님


아래 클라우디 나이트에 실린 리뷰도 올립니다.


광학계통은 훓륭한데 장착하는데 4사람으로도 힘들고 밸런스 맞추는 것도 쉽지 아니한 일이군요.


그래도 일생에 한번 저런 망원경 사용하다가 정 감당 못하면 1,2 년 후에 팔아도 큰 손해는 보지 않을 듯 한데?



이 무거은 망원경을 스타파티에 운반한 사진이 있습니다.


한 마디로 대단합니다.


Meade MAX Mount w/20 RCX


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by Daniel Mounsey 11/28/06 | Email Author

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MEADE 20" RCX

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INTRODUCTION: 

This review is about our experiences with Meade뭩 flagship telescope, the RCX 20� and Max mount. Ralph Sargent is one of only a handful of individuals in the world to own one. I have conducted over a hundred personal house-calls to assist individuals with their telescopes over the years. I usually give a tutorial of the night sky with my green laser and dive into eyepieces, so when I was asked to assist in this matter, I had no hesitation, and with a name like Ralph Sargent, I got the impression that this guy was seriously into his hobby. Ralph currently has a Meade 12� LX200 classic on a concrete pier within his ten-foot dome and felt it was time for an upgrade. Ralph is mostly an astrophotographer, but we were going to make sure this scope got a thorough, visual first light. 

THE ARRIVAL AND SETUP: 

The first time I saw this telescope was during a presentation at RTMC, a popular astronomy convention in Big Bear, California, which is held every year during Memorial day weekend, but I had no idea I뭗 be setting one up, so I knew I was in for a serious task. The RCX is delivered in about a dozen different boxes, which require assembly. When it arrived, there were a couple of boxes missing and a few that were damaged during shipment. Fortunately, Meade did a great job in packing this scope and no damage was done. In the end, Meade followed through and all the boxes were finally received. 


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If you think this safety logo is a hilarious, entertaining conversation piece as I did, let me tell you that it뭩 actually true. Meade is very serious about the safety here. Once the mount was assembled, we carefully studied Meade뭩 instructions on how we were going to hoist this OTA onto the Max mount, which stood over 70� tall and with a $30,000 price tag in the balance, you can뭪 blame me. A 12� LX200 can be lifted by one person if they뭨e really strong, a 14� LX200 is a two person setup unless your Scott Beith, but hoisting a nearly 200lb. OTA the size of a trash can is very awkward, especially when it has to be lifted over your head. I was in for a surprise. This OTA requires five people to hoist onto the mount for the best results, three at the rear and two at the front, not to mention that you have to land the dove plate into the saddle plate just right. 

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Unfortunately, two other guys were late on arriving to assist in setup, which left only four of us to lift the OTA. Because darkness was slowly starting to close in, we had no choice but to lift the OTA ourselves, time was running out. We lifted the OTA off the Radio Flyer wagon. After nearly a two minute struggle, we finally got it on. Boy was I glad that was over! We all took a step back to look at the final product. The first thing we said was 밫his thing is BIG�. It looked beautiful in it뭩 2,200 ft. perch above Malibu California뭩 coast. 

THE MAX MOUNT: 

Let me tell you that the quality of the Max mount is first class. Meade spared no expense on the machining and precision. The Max mount can not be moved by hand. It is strictly a GOTO mount and for good reason. This is also another safety consideration. You wouldn뭪 want a tube or counter weight toppling over your head. Meade뭩 Autostar hand controller is a little different for the Max mount. In order to balance the scope, the RA goes through a rigorous back and forth movement on its own. The Autostar has a readout which displays a series of numbers with �1.00� being the most perfect. As the RA moves back and forth, you have to spin the counter weights to move them up or down. 

While this is done, the numbers would change from .95, .98 and 1.04 to 1.08 and so forth. Once the 1.00 number is achieved, the balance is in check. The same procedure is followed for the DEC as well. After this, the mount goes into home position and asks you to align Polaris in the finder using the mounts altitude and azimuth polar adjustments only. For those of you wondering what the mount sounds like, it reminded me of a diesel engine, but not as loud but it wasn뭪 too bad. Once polar alignment was completed, we turned the mount off and started it up. Meade뭩 Autostar is so easy to use, that anyone with a little experience could use it. Once the Autostar is turned on, it says press �0� to begin alignment. The scope will only need to find one alignment star on its own and all you have to do is center it and press enter and your alignment is complete. It couldn뭪 be easier. This is far easier than any Celestron scope I뭭e used. The key to user friendliness is a hand controller that tells you what it wants you to press. 

FIRST LIGHT: 

The first thing we did after aligning Vega was to star test the RCX and check collimation. The star test was nothing short of sensational, literally text book quality with nice, concentric rings both in and out of focus. To my surprise, the collimation was dead perfect too. The company which delivered this RCX tipped over some boxes while driving up the winding road and Ralph wanted to make sure the collimation was good. This amount of light gathering could easily devour galaxies but we decided to see more popular objects during the test run. M57 was the target for first light and it was sensational. Under the conditions of this particular night, there was just a bit of haze in the atmosphere that would soon blow through, so we did not see the central star at this time but the ring was gorgeous. We then looked at the E.T. cluster NGC 457. It stood briskly in the 40mm Meade SWA. 

What really amazed me was how pinpoint accurate the stars were! I honestly did not expect this from such a large aperture of this design, but I was dead wrong. Cluster after cluster, we went on all night. We looked at planetary nebula as well. We could see the green tint of the Saturn nebula and the lobes at each end using a 26mm Series 5000 UWA eyepiece. The real treat was the trapezium in Orion. It was reminiscent of the 60� at Mt. Wilson. There were stars everywhere and the six stars just shot out at you! Another thing that blew me away was that I had never seen stars this bright in my life without any diffraction spikes. I would rate the optics first class in the 20� RCX. I can뭪 wait until the laminar air flows in and we start viewing planets. This scope is going to be a killer. One of the observers named Mr. Stark made a comment that will stay in my memory. He said that the RCX looked like a giant hammer in the dark. I couldn뭪 stop laughing! A lady from next door came to visit. I showed her the Andromeda galaxy and explained to her that the light took about two and a half million years to reach her eye. She was almost in disbelief. Over all, visual observations were stunning to say the least. 

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WHAT ABOUT THE CONS: 

We encountered a couple of issues. Unfortunately during the slewing of the telescope, we quickly learned that the RS232 cable got tangled too easily on the mount, which damaged the RS232 cable and even worse, the RS232 jack on the mount itself and this was not caused from improper use. It뭩 too bad no one has a coiled RS232 cable for a change. My advice is to be extremely careful in watching this cable to ensure it does not get tangled on any part of the mount. The other issue is balance. If the mount is not balanced exactly right, then the mount tends to oscillate or joggle a bit during slew mode. The issue here is that a factor of �1.00� on the balance should be achieved, but we had some difficulty in achieving this. The best we got was 1.03, so perhaps some more test runs will be needed before we can weed out the balance issue just right. The pointing accuracy was impressive, but I do believe that the accuracy will be determined mostly by which star you decide to line on. 

WHAT ABOUT THE PROS: 

Over all, we were all extremely impressed with Meade뭩 new RCX 20� and the optics were sensational. All of my friends on cloudynights know how particular I am when it comes to optics. Meade뭩 Autostar is a joy to use and has more features then I can explain. The RCX also has a built in fan and temperature gauge for both internal and external temperatures. You can even collimate it from the hand controller. The RCX is not a Cadillac, it뭩 a Bentley. The Max mount performed well and the overall package was a real winner. My hats are off to Meade on this one. 

A NOTE REGARDING SKY&TELESCOPE뭆 REVIEW OF THE RCX: 

One of the cons S&T magazine gave regarding the RCX was that dust could get into the tube more easily. This is because the corrector plate moves back and forth to achieve focus, which in turn eliminates the drag of mirror shift common in most cassagrain type telescopes. Because of this, there is an air gap around the corrector, however, I strongly believe that with proper care and maintenance, the trade offs of an open air gap far out-weigh the disadvantages of a little dust touching the primary and secondary, especially with a 20� aperture using a carbon fiber tube. 

When I first heard about carbon fiber tubes, I thought they had great thermal advantages. The truth is that they do, but not in a completely sealed tube of this aperture, regardless of whether it has fans or not. A little bit if dust is no where near as damaging to image quality as heat currents inside a tube that can not breath. I carefully observed the thermal behavior of this 20� RCX and it had no issues at all like the Celestron scopes I뭭e tested in the past and the ambient temperature dropped pretty fast during our observations. The real reason carbon fiber is used is to help prevent expansion and contraction of the OTA during astrophotography. There is no doubt that the air gab around the corrector is actually a huge pro in Meade뭩 favor. 

FINAL THOUGHTS 

I have to admit that I am not a real Meade fan, but I feel that the RCX 20 is a break through for Meade and a great accomplishment. If you뭭e got the big bucks, then it뭩 worth the price of admission. 

Clear Skies! 
Daniel Mounsey 
  • 공석환 2014.03.23 17:22 (*.138.67.203)

    문의 이메일은 보냈든데 솔직히 저 괴물을 감당할 수 있을지 확신은 없습니다.

    회사에 수리를 위하여 보낸 것인지 아니면 단순히 엎데이트를 위한 것인지도 알아 보려 합니다.


    RCX16인치로 찍은 게 성운의 사진이 아스트로빈에 나와 있습니다. 이미지 스케일이 엄청 납니다.


    http://www.astrobin.com/77025/

  • 도영재 2014.03.23 19:12 (*.62.173.234)
    오늘 반가왔 습니다.
    따끈~따끈한 정보도 감사합니다
    전에 꿈만꾸던 시스템인대~
    Rcx400은 한동안 써보았습니다 저보다 작은
    10인치 인대도 한번도 야외사용 못해 봤다는...
  • 공석환 2014.03.23 19:32 (*.138.67.203)

    오늘 가 보니 도영재님 건물 옥상이 태양번개로는 딱이더군요. 좋은 정보 많이 얻었습니다.

    저 괴물 감당하기는 쉽지 않지만 단 1년이라도 동거해 보다가 정 안되면 팔아도 큰 손해는 안 볼 것 같은 생각이 들기도 합니다.

    구경이 크다 보니 시상에 까다로와 주로 천정(Meridian)  가까이의 은하나 성운 관측에  주로 사용한다고 합니다.

    그렇다면 영구 관측소 세우기 전에라도 차고 옆 빈자리에 놓고 관측할 수도 있을 것 같습니다. 그 곳에서도 50도 이상의  천정 쪽은 각도가 많이 트여 있습니다. 

    야외에 들고 다닐 염두는 못 냅니다.


    10인치 보다 40인치가 마운트 무게까지 3배 이상이 될 것입니다.


    RCX 400 10inch로 찍은 사진은 검색으로 일부 찾았습니다. 그렇게 나쁘지는 않더군요.


    http://www.bradsastrosite.com/Iris-Large.html


    http://www.bradsastrosite.com/M81Large.html

    구매 이후에도  4명 정도가 있어야 셋업이 가능하다고 하는데 어떻게 사람을 구해야 할지.

    아직 이메일에 대한 답이 없고 추가 질문 후 신중히 진행하여 보려 합니다.

  • 공석환 2014.03.23 22:04 (*.138.67.203)

    방금 아직 안 팔렸다고 연락이 왔는데 혹시 미드에 수리로 보냈는지 아니면 엎데이트로 보냈는지에 대한 답이 없네요.

    20인치로 보면 목성의 색이 선명하게 눈에 들어 온 다는 사람도 있지만 미국 사이트에 검색을 하여 보았더니 안시의 경우 돕이 훨씬 싸게 들고

     RCX 400은  이미징 용이라는 의견도 많습니다.

    그리고 혹시 맥스 마운트에 20인치 대신 C14HD를 언쳐서 이미징을 하면 가벼워서 더 잘 될지.

    궁금한 것은 많습니다.

    사실 요새 AP1600에 인코더, 카운터 웨이트 등을 달면 17,000블정도 하니, 500파운드 구동을 하는 맥스마운트가 제대로 동작하면 사실 한번 걸어 볼 가치가 있는데 심각한 고민 좀 하여 보아야 할 것 같습니다.

    그리고 그 것을 수용할 영구 관측소를 제대로 만들자고 그러면 50,000불 이상 들텐데 당분간 그냥 콘크리트 바닥에 놓아 두고 천막으로 덮어 놓을 것인지

    막상 결정하기가 쉽지는 않습니다.

    오디오 할 때 7년전 당시 미국 달라로 5만불 당시 환율이 싸서 4,000만원에 독일 명품 스피커를 산 적이 있는데 지금도 만족하고 잘 쓰고 있습니다.

    참고로 오디오는 1978년 이후 36년 경력입니다.

    스피커, 앰프, CD 플레이어 수십번 바꾸면서 산전 수전 다 겪어 보았습니다.

    18,000불을 투자하더라도 3년 이상만 잘 사용할 수 있거나 되 팔 때 3,000불 이내로 손해를 본다면 문제가 없는데

    중간에 문제가 생기고 Meade에서 유상 AS를 공급 안 하면 골치가 아프게 됩니다

  • 공석환 2014.03.23 22:25 (*.138.67.203)

    맨 위의 제이슨 웨어의 사이트에 갔더니 유료 사진 리스트에 RCX400으로 찍은 멋있는 작품이 많습니다.
    http://www.galaxyphoto.com/jw_apogee_m1.htm

    http://www.galaxyphoto.com/jw_acf20_yankee_mellot15.htm


    http://www.galaxyphoto.com/jw_20_bubble.htm

    http://www.galaxyphoto.com/jw_acf_20_iris.htm

    마지막 사진은 2008년 텍사스 스타파티에 가서 찍었다고 되어 있네요.

    저러한 괴물을 차에 운반하여 가지고 가서 조립하자고 그러면

    참고로 제이슨 웨어는 Meade로 부터 지원을 받는 것으로 듣고 있습니다.

    작년에 발매 시작한 LX850을 이용한 사진도 제이슨 웨어가 찍었습니다.

    거의 프로 수준이라고 보면 됩니다.


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